The benefits of being creative – with Kinga Hofman

Vicki Weinberg: 00:00:08

Welcome to the, Bring Your Product Ideas To Life podcast, practical advice, and inspiration to help you create and sell your own physical products. Here's your host Vicki Weinberg. Hello. Hope you've had a really good week. Um, we've got a bit of a different episode for you today. It's coming up to the end of the year and I thought it might be quite nice to do something different. So I know that lots of you have creative and handmade businesses. And today I thought it'd be really nice to talk a bit about the creative process. Being creative in general, why it's good for us? Why it's so good for our wellbeing? And if anyone listening, who doesn't consider themselves creative, or maybe doesn't have a creative outlet to give you some suggestions of things you can do that are creative. And of course, um, some of the creative things we do might lead to having something that you want to sell or turn into a business, but actually for lots of people that just never happens. I talk in this episode about the fact that I crochet, actually, I'm never going to make a business around that. It's just something I do for fun, but that's great for all of the reasons we're going to talk about today. So today I'd love to introduce Kinga Hoffman. So Kinga creates a space and opportunities to discover, enjoy, and experience art. She believes everyone's creative and that art is fundamental to human expression. So she's going to talk to us about her business and what she does, um, which I found absolutely fascinating. The history around why she started and then we're going to talk all things, creativity. So I really hope as always you enjoyed this conversation and, um, yeah, I'd love to introduce you to Kinga. So hi Kinga, thank you so much for being here.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:01:46

Uh, hi Vicky. Thank you very much for having me. And, um, yeah, I think I need to introduce myself a little bit. So, um, my name is Kinga and I run a, um, um, place called House of Culture. Um, and, uh, yeah, this is the place where you can experience art. When you can come back to art where you can discover art, when you can do all sorts of different things, connected to us and wellbeing. And this place is based in Brighton. We a one year old. And, um, yeah, we looking forward to the more adventures and, um, new people that they're going to come and experience art with us.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:02:31

Oh, I didn't realize you were only a year old actually. Wow. So you've had, you've had quite a tricky first year then I guess.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:02:38

Yes, that's. That's uh, that's actually, it's quite interesting because when I don't remember that, I mean like somehow my brain, um, shut down, but, um, whenever people like yourself finds out that we are just one, you know, they're like, wow, you opened during the lockdown. And I'm like, yeah, actually I did. I did open during the lockdown. And, um, um, somehow it was the right time. I mean, um, if locked down and the pandemic wouldn't happen, then probably, maybe I would not open at all. So it's, um, you know, it's a silver lining of our situation at this moment that I, I decided to change my career completely and, and open something totally different than I used to work with.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:03:21

Okay. So I am really intrigued. Now, would you mind telling us that story about your, maybe if you want to talk a bit about your previous career and then how you came to House of Culture.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:03:30

Long, long story short is I'm, uh, I presume you will, yourself and other people realize already I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm, I'm from Poland and, um, the whole. Whole life happens, um, in Poland but when I was about 10 years old, I've been introduced by my friend to the place that we call in Poland House of Cultures. And basically the place is, um, is the place where you can experience many things. Aspects of art and expression. So you can go to the classes where you've got an art. You can go to the classes, we've got a cooking, you can go to their language classes. They're not like a class session, so it's afterschool activities and you can go and have a type of shift. So the whole idea is to try as many things as possible before you kind of release yourself into the grownup world. Why I'm talking about this, when you ask me about my career is because that's somehow had the impact of my, uh, on my grown up life. Uh, because I started going there and I was going first to the pantomime class pantomime session. Then I went to the, macrame session and then I eventually ended up in the art sessions somehow that, um, decided about my life as a grownup person, because then I decided to study interior architecture in Poland. And then I become an interior architect, which obviously it's very glamorous in a, in a description. Everyone, when I say I'm all I'm going to tell you, architecture is something slightly different than design. Quite similar and everyone was like, wow, that's absolutely fascinating. You're doing amazing stuff. It is great job. Don't get me wrong, but. It has a, as a, kind of like a boring side to it as well, and kind of dealing with money and people and other people sub-contractors building sites. It's not exactly as glamorous as it seems to. Uh, anyway, it's, it's been my job for about 15 years. Yeah. And then Ireland cause I used to live Ireland before. Um, and, and it was, it was good. It was brilliant. You know, it's, it's a creativity at the highest point. You know, you are creative in this job as much as you can be. And you are, you designing the layout to moving the walls. You decides about extensions, every aspect of this job. It's really, really interesting, but at some point, and I think it's after I become a mom, I realized that okay. Brilliant, but I would like to do something more for others. Um, you know, and more kinds of for kids related. I somehow found out that being with kids is, is it really easy for me and actually grown up life? Being adult is overrated. I'm really sorry. But I think the most important thing is when we are kids and I have some other kids and, um, the way how they look at life, the way. Uh, constantly curious and asking the questions. And I know sometimes we've got enough of those questions and sometimes we think like, oh my God, stop asking another why? Because, but actually that's the, that's the creativity at the highest point as well, because they want to know why, how, and, and, you know, that's kind of gave me an idea about opening the place for the kids, where they could experiment with. Try and new things. Obviously the reality at this moment is that I've got on the app, like the class because, um, different reasons, mostly money-wise and, and, and, and lot of dance as well. But, uh, yeah, the other, the other reason, the reason about opening the spaces that we are now, the political situation, I had no one to kind of moan and rant about it, but, you know, kids having less and less creative subjects at schools, that's down to the curriculum. And it's quite ironic for me because creativity is the most sought after skills in the, in the grownup portworld after that, like we need to be creative and every aspect of life, someone says that we're not creative or I'm not creative. They are not aware about their own creativity, basically. So that's, that was the main reason why I opened the space. And at this moment, uh, we've got a small place on the orange row. Uh, it has orange though because orange is my favorite color. And this is the place where kids come after school or during the day, if they home educated on Saturdays, they can try different techniques of art. They can relax, they can swing on the swings cause we've got to swing some big popular, um, and they can be together as well. Cause you know, we have. You know, the places where we live are different. Some people are having a very small flats. It's impossible to have a couple of kids at the same time. So, you know, the various aspects of my place, it's not only an art and it's not a place where I'm going to tell you what to do. It's just the place. You come in and you can try and I'm here only to help. So sorry, I kind of make a, I made a whole way around, but, uh, yeah, that's why House of Cultures is, my new career now, and it's absolutely dream job and I absolutely love it.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:09:04

Well, thank you for that.And no you didn't, you didn't go round at all. I think I was, I found your story so fascinating. And yet I loved having hearing that because I know we'd had a quick talk before but I purposefully didn't go into the, some of these questions because I wanted to hear them for the first time on the podcast, as well as everybody else. Um, but one thing that struck me is I didn't realize just how new it was. So the House of Cultures in, you mentioned in Poland was that some things I'm just curious. Was that like just one particular place that you went to, or was that part of the culture overall in Poland that children would have access to these activities?

Kinga Hoffman: 00:09:38

To be honest with you, I think it's a kind of like a thing that came from the communist, uh, politics and communities bloc that Poland used to belong to. And I I'm sure that they had them in Russia and the part of Soviet Republic. Then that as well. So it's not like, you know, it's a kind of like one thing now it's been pretty much in every small city. Like I K I, I came from the quite big town, those, you know, 450,000 people there. So, um, and we had quite few of those in the city. I just went to the one that was closest to my, to my house, to place what I used to live. So, um, I mean, it, it's, it's a brilliant, it's so simple and it's brilliant. You've got a different. Activities under one roof and the kids can come and do, um, and try, I mean, like it's so simple, you know, because I always think like, especially, you know, now being a grown-up person, like how you. can how, you can decide what to doing others' life. If you haven't tried. I mean, like, of course we've got imagination, you've got ideas. Like, okay. I would like to be a doctor because my mom is a doctor and I kind of see what she does. Perfect. But what if the imagination, doesn't kind of cover the reality. And then, you know, at some point you're going to the university putting all that effort to do all the steps, to be a doctor, for example, a lawyer. And then you realize actually, that's not exactly how I envisage that. So, um, and especially with creative subjects, it's I think it's important to check what really. Your passion or what really makes you not even know what's already is your passion. No, it's a wrong way around what makes you happy basically, because, you know, as you know, and it's cliche, but in life, we, we looking for the happiness. So if something makes you happy, that's the most important thing.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:11:40

Absolutely. And I think you're right in that, that even if it's so not something you want to do necessarily for job or career, I think making you happy is really important because I think like over the last couple of years, with the, you know, the lockdowns and spending more time at home, I know there was a link between people try more art and creative things like I started doing. Um, cross-stitch for example, because I was looking for something creative and years before I taught myself how to crochet. Um, but it's actually, I think a bit harder to pick some of these things up as an adult. If you see what I mean, I found it so hard to teach myself to crochet was such a tricky process because it was something I'd never done as a child. I went to lots of things as a child. I was very lucky, but I never. I don't feel like I did many of these creative things perhaps. Um, so I can definitely see the benefits of doing it as a child. Cause sometimes as an adult, it can be a bit daunting to pick up and try and do something new.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:12:39

I think that actually it's in our head because to be honest with you. For me, crochet and cross stitches is a black magic. I tried to do some crocheting, and it was when I was a kid. And then as you said, I did exactly the samewhen lockdown happened. I said like, okay, what we can do at home. I don't need to have a lot of supplies, you know? Okay. crochet and don't get me wrong. I can do basic staff, but. You know, it's, it's difficult. And I think the biggest problem in our lives at this moment is that we tend to live so fast. Like I tend to call our time of our lives. It's a kind of like a fast, fast Amazon prime times. Basically we, we believe and social media are not helping with that as well. That things are happening immediately by the press of the button. And what's even more interesting that the kids getting the same ideas already, that, you know, you watching a movie on a YouTube how to do the painting. And the lady is doing a painting in 30 seconds, like, excuse me, but it's not happening this way. And coming back to your crochet thing as well. I know it sounds difficult and I know thing, but the more you're doing. The more, the better you are. And it's again, simple as that. I keep explaining this to kids. Look, you need to put their efforts, everything, what you're doing, and what's important to you. That's one thing, second thing is that it takes time and you need to accept that it takes time. You didn't walk when you were a child, you need to, you had to learn how to walk anywhere, landing so many times on your bum, we just don't remember this, because if we would remember that. We wouldn't then make enough effort to kind of start and go back again and go back again. So that's what really fascinated me at this moment as well is because I've got a son who is eight years old and I kind of go through the school system, uh, sorry. There was a phone, unfortunately. Uh, I go through the school system with him as well. And what really fascinates me is the failure problem. Kids are being taught. That failure is something horrible when it's not failure, isn't a natural process of learning and the way, the way that we make mistakes, this is how we learn, basically, simply as that. And, and again, going back to your crochet. It's difficult in the beginning, but I'm sure it's again, as I said, the time and time during this time sometimes again, and I'm sure you are at master level now

Vicki Weinberg: 00:15:21

yeah, I'm your're right. Now that, after I got over that initial hurdle, I definitely got very good. I think, I think you're right. I think as one of the things you talking about life moving fast is that as an adult, it's, it's giving yourself the time to try something new, because you feel like either you should be doing something else or, you know, something more productive in air quotes or something more productive. You could be doing this spending half an hour with some yarn and a needle. You have that thought as well. It's interesting what you said about failure. Cause my son is also 8 and M also can sometimes have this mindset that, oh, if I can't do it immediately, then I can't do it. Then it's not worth doing. Um, it's too hard. Um, and I think a growth mindset is definitely something that if we can get our kids into that way of thinking. It would definitely help us so much as adults. Um, because I think there is that thing as well of like taking time to do something for yourself, you know, if you can't crochet or cross stitch or whatever, then maybe you think, oh, well I just leave it because I don't really have the time to learn that. And well, maybe I'm too old to learn that or whatever the thing is. I think it's so easy to talk yourself out of trying.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:16:34

Again, you actually might a really, um, important point. Uh, the other thing that really stop us in blocks is the belief that because we finished schools and universities, we know everything already, so we should be good immediately at something. Great. You know, like, like cross-stitching, well, this, this, you know, it should be, it should be easy. I'm okay. And as soon as it's not easy, Our brains tells us like, okay, um, do you really want to do this? And it's it's again, I believe it's quite natural, but because we are. Being spoiled, but as I say, Amazon prime, when you press the button and you get them, I think next day morning, or by the, you know, watching all of the things on the social media, one of the things I've speed up and then obviously looks like, you know, something like five minutes, craft. I think it's one thing on Facebook or on, um, Instagram, when the things are happening immediately, like concrete is drying out within the split of the second. It's not happening. I'm really sorry. It's not happening. So, so I think that's what makes the illusion that if it's not happening immediately, it's not worth it or trying, or if it's not happening well immediately then I'm not good at it. And again, that's .That's phrase from, from kids of school, age, breaks my heart, because whenever. Trying to introduce something. I'm trying to say, look, maybe you're going to try this. And there was this phrase I'm not good at it. And I'm like, what does it mean? Have you tried long enough to be a good at it or, you know, have you tried at all? Cause some kids they're not even trying because they not good at it and I'm like, really. Yeah, that's really, it's really sad. Isn't it?

Vicki Weinberg: 00:18:17

So I wanted to have, and to have you on for this episode, because I wanted to talk a bit about creativity and being creative, because I know lots of listeners have creative businesses. And I also think there are those who might like to have a creative business or equally, you know, there'll be lots of people listening who have some sort of hobby that they want to do that never ever will be a business, but. For fun, like with me and my crochet, I'm never ever going to sell any of it, but it's, it's fun to do. Um, but I just want to talk to you about creativity because I think for a lot of the reasons you've outlined, it's like really important. Um, so can you tell us some of the benefits of taking time to be creative and create things and just, yeah, just play a little bit for want of a better word.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:19:02

I mean, I, uh, I think that the benefits are well known. But we tend to forget about it first, first, you know, as again, as you said with, uh, w what we experienced with lockdown is that we had suddenly had so much time on our hands. Yeah. Some people that they were on furlough scheme, they didn't have to work, or they were, you know, they were sitting at home. We all been sitting at home and, and we had so much time. And so, uh, saying simply creativity, um, first of all. Allows you to make the space. You make the space for yourself, obviously that connects to the wellbeing as well. You allow yourself to have a space, to have a thought about something, to start doing something, um, which is, uh, an amazing process for our brain. Because as soon as you become creative, our brain starts functioning slightly different. That has a connection with this magical flow. So basically when you're, uh, being creative, when you, when something really pulls you out and you become in the zone, when you nothing really matters, you know, I mean the zone is, it doesn't matter if it's coloring. If it's writing, if it's painting, if it's drawing, if it's cross-stitching, if it's. And it aspect of creativity, your brain starts functioning, functioning, slightly different. So it kind of allows you to, to be in that flow moment and your prefrontal cortex, um, gives you a space, basically calms down a little bit and it's better as well to, um, to come up with the really important thoughts in your brain because everything else is kind of quiet down. Your thoughts, your original thoughts. More prone to be built up. Does it make sense a little bit?

Vicki Weinberg: 00:20:53

That does make sense because I find that doing something well, for me, if I'm doing something creative, Because you have to concentrate on your stitches or your colors or whatever it is. Some of those other, thoughts those nagging thoughts just disappear, it's recede a bit because you don't have the space to think about your worries or whatever else.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:21:14

And, and what really connects to this one is that when you see the effect of the, of the, your creative time, there's this huge release of the, of the neuron neuro hormones coming up. So all the. Um, magic words like serotonin dopamine, endorphins that you you're getting a huge, really huge boost out of the creativity. Um, there is, you know, as I said before, uh, benefits of being creative, the, the, you know, you can, you can keep telling the stories about them because they, you know, there was so many of them like you, um, improve your social skills and social life, because if you creative with the others, obviously that's kind of, you know, Self-explanatory you, you, you making a connections. If you showing off your creativity again, you making a connection. Um, if you, uh, if, uh, if you creative that improves your mind, um, uh, improves your brain functioning, uh, alleviates the stress and anxiety. Um, you know, it's, it's, it's so many of those that even some questions, some, uh, some, some research and. that creativity boosts immune system. I don't know how they, I didn't find the proper, the right research, but I've seen in a few, um, articles about creativity that actually the more creative you are, somehow it has an impact on your immune system, which is like crazy how you know, but it is, I presume it might be down to the brain functioning and kind of. calm calm down moment and, and, and stress relief basically. Cause if we know that if you are very stressed, it's really easy to get sick and ill. Um, so yeah, so it's, it's really beneficial for our lives basically to be creative and. There is a big myth about creativity as well. I mean, like, I believe that every one of us is creative. I mean, if someone says I'm not creative at all, as I mentioned that before, it's simply, he's not aware of his potentials and skills, because even if you have to make a meal for your kids after school, you need to think, oh, what I need to cook? That's creative. Oh, you're looking into your, into your fridge and you've got some produce in your fridge and you're coming up with some dish that's creativity in a, in a, in a, in a very basic way, but it's creativity. If you're coming to the problem, solving the problem again, creativity in the, in the, in the, in the simplest form. So it's, um, it, you know, it's, the creativity is everywhere and, uh, every one of us is creative.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:24:00

That's a really good point actually that I have had people say that before. Oh, I'm not very creative. Do you have any, um, I dunno, any tips for how people can, perhaps I don't want to say become more creative because like you say, I believe I also believe that everyone's got it inside them, but I don't know any advice for people who think they're not creative, but quite likely the idea of, of. Do it you're being creative. I'm trying to think how to word it. Like idea of being creative, perhaps don't consider themselves creative. Now do you have any things people could try.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:24:31

I mean, um, first of all, I'm not the best person to give advice as I don't like giving advice because I don't like, well, it's, it's, you know, difficult to give advisors, but as I said, everyone is creative and I think, um, the, the, the best tips, how to kind of rediscover the creativity is to do the small steps. So, uh, finding your time, basically, if you, if you are a busy mom or busy, that kind of a busy either person, um, find yourself a time, 15 minutes per day, where you can do some stuff. Yeah. You can, you can try as many things as possible. I mean, like nobody, there was no limit basically, and nobody has a right to judge you as well. So yeah. You can try this at home. You can try to write, you can try to draw scribbles, um, crochet thing, or you can go and join. Um, there is so many activities out there, you know, you can do the pottery, you can do, um, drama. You can do, you know, there is a creative writing sessions that drawing sessions does like X amount of activities that you could go and try. Don't take yourself too seriously as well. I think I would say because, um, you need to be open-minded you need to be ready to play a little bit, to have fun. So, uh, you know, kind of maybe change a little bit of attitude if, if you're really a serious person. I mean, it's nothing wrong to be serious, of course, but trying to kind of open minds a little bit more, and I think that, uh, Being curious as well. It's a good, good thing because we do forget how, how it is to be a curious, and I think it's a really important thing to keep asking the question. Why, why, where, how, uh, because all of those questions directly ran to the answers or not, but they kind of allow you to search for it. And then it's another creative process. So keep asking the questions. We never too old to learn. We supposed to learn all our life because if the moment when we stop learning, the brain starts dying slowly, but they do, um, yeah. Keep, you know, keep showing your work again. It doesn't matter if it's good, if it's bad, or if someone says it's bad, it doesn't matter. It's yours. It makes you happy. Nobody has a right to tell you. What's good. What's not. Yeah. So, so keep, you know, keep showing this, I know journal journaling is really good way as well. Again, it doesn't need to be shown as, as you said, it doesn't need to be a business plan, but if something makes you happy, keep doing it.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:27:22

Thank you. I know you said you don't like to give advice, which I completely get, but I think we could take these all as suggestions. Cause another thing that I was just thinking, as you were talking is this suggestion that I have is for those of you listening with children is to kind of maybe joining some of your children's activities. So for example, since having children. I've discovered that I quite like coloring cause they like colouring. I've discovered I quite like building things with Lego. Um, and these were things that I would have done as a kid, but I think if I hadn't had my own children and hadn't sat down at the table and joined in with their activities, I probably wouldn't have realized I enjoyed as an adult. Um, and don't get me wrong. I don't enjoy all of the things that they want to do, but it's quite nice when they get a craft set or something to sit down and go, okay, so what's this about? And let's join in. Um, and I think that's quite a nice way of finding things that you enjoy is just to, yeah. Think a bit like a child's a little bit, and don't worry if you get it wrong or it looks

Kinga Hoffman: 00:28:24

exactly like don't be so serious. Just be, be yourself and find what makes you happy. I mean, like if you don't have any other. You know, the sky's the limit, basically, you know, you can be creative in so many ways go and do it. I know it's not easy sometimes, but, uh, always ways and, um, and even small things, uh, I important and it has a huge impact on our mental health. And that's another thing which is really important at this moment. Cause we, we coming out of the pandemic moment, we don't know what's going to happen. So. Um, especially doing it, you know, our kids and in our lives, grownups doesn't matter if you're a child and not mental health has been impacted by the, by the lockdown lock downs and by Corona. So it's really important to find something that makes you simply happy if it's baking. If it's, I don't know, um, gardening, that's like, you know, so many ways you can be creative.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:29:27

Yeah. I mean, did you want to talk at all about the link between, um, creativity and wellbeing I've heard? Um, obviously I've, I've heard that it is good to do creative things I've heard it, it can improve your mood and your wellbeing. Is there anything else you wanted to add to that?

Kinga Hoffman: 00:29:41

W nothing more. I presumably I will repeat myself, but, uh, as I said, I, I found that really fascinating that actually, when we are creative in any way that our brain changes and, and kind of, you know, it's, it's, it's been researched, it's been proved that basically the brainwaves going slow and, and, and, you know, it's, it's a different state. We, we go in, we can actually. Aloud. I'm a brain to calm down a little bit. And again, as I said, we live in really fast times. I think the, the moment for our own, for our brains to slow down and it's extremely important. And, uh, you know, that's, that's the biggest wellbeing. Um, the link of the, you know, out of creativity, I think, I think it's important to give yourself time. We know how, uh, we all busy. And, uh, and it's extremely important to allow ourselves a bit of time for ourselves. I'm really sorry. Sometimes English language. It's a, um, it's a, it's a difficult language for me.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:30:50

Oh, don't worry at all you have nothing to apologize for. I promise. Thank you. Um, just a few final questions before we finish up first, I cannot resist asking you this Kinga what creative activities do you do personally. I'm just interested

Kinga Hoffman: 00:31:04

that it's a lot. I mean, um, I'm trying to. Well, because I work as a, in my dream work and that place, um, I'm basically allowed to be creative every time of every moment that's work. So we do a lot of, um, art stuff. I think the most favorite moment. My favorite thing at this moment is to checking out all of those crepes from Danes. And that's the, so basically I, I do spend a lot of time on, on the internet. So I do, um, research stuff like, oh, New masks or different ones. And then I kind of bring this back to my kids and we try them together and see how easy it is to do how, you know, what else we can do out of it if it's working. So all the new stuff all the new techniques, like, you know, big, um, big thing for me was discovering the marbling. Cause marbling is absolutely relaxing and it's, and it gives you so much of a. Pleasure and so much have a great effect as well. Uh, and I found that on the internet. So kind of checking out the stuff that you can see on the internet. It's a, it's a kind of like my creative wild moments and, and, and showing this to the kids. It's, it's brilliant. I do a little bit of crochet. I, um, did we, did we created our garden and when, when I was in lockdown out of nothing, basically, because we've got to kind of like a concrete yard on the back of the building where I live, um, What else I do. I'm not a really huge fan of baking. I would love to know how to bake, but, uh, maybe one day I will learn more baking. Um, yeah, that's pretty at this moment. Somehow feels like it's a lot because, uh, the place where I work. So, you know, it's, it's, I mean, like I do birthday party and I've got a one birthday party planned on Thursday and the theme of the birthday party it's dinosaur. So at this moment, my head is literally filled out with the ideas of dinosaurs, what we can do, how, how much time we're going to spend on it so. Even if you have party planner, you are creative. Yeah, of course. Even if you are doctor, so you are creative, I'm just trying to show even if you are, you know, uh, I don't know, person who, uh, works in a funeral company, you can be creative to make, you know, a memorable last memories. Yeah. So it's, it's all this. Areas of our life. You can, and you are creative in it. So, so I think the, the impact on creativity is enormous and we need to keep being creative. We need to kind of. Uh, take care about it and enjoy it

Vicki Weinberg: 00:34:01

yeah. Thank you. I think enjoying it. It's definitely one of the key things I want to take away from this. And thank you so much for everything you've shared. I really hope that this is going to inspire people to try something creative, whether it's something new or something they enjoyed as a child or, yeah, just something they think, oh, that looks like fun. And just to do it for fun. And like I said earlier, whether it becomes anything or whatever, it's just, you know, like something you do to relax and have some time to yourself. I think there's definitely lots of benefits. So thank you for coming on and talking about this because I think it is a really interesting subject. And while I've spoken to lots of creative business owners, we haven't actually talked that much about creativity and that is something that I'm fascinated by. So thank you for coming and spending the time.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:34:47

Thank you very much for having me. And, and, and if anyone wants to join me at House of Culture, we've got some art sessions for adults as well. So I'm sure you're going to have links to our Facebook and Instagram and all the information can be found at

Vicki Weinberg: 00:35:03

I definitely am. And I'm really excited to you've got sessions for adults. Cause I, that was another, I was going to be my final question because I could see you have lots of children, so that's great. If and when I can ever make it down to Brighton and I would love to come to a session,

Kinga Hoffman: 00:35:16

please do it's on Mondays and Wednesdays seven till 9:00 PM. Of course. And you are allowed to bring your own beverages. So if someone likes to create with a glass of wine, Bring it on I'm more than happy and that all materials, um, down there. So you don't need to bring anything, just need to bring yourself and try or creates your favourite techniques or create, you know, favourite material. So it's a, it's a brilliant, um, opportunity to talk to the others as well. So it's, I think it's a kind of like a nice social. Uh, place as well to be, and you can even swing on the swings if you want, because they are for kids and for others. So if someone likes to go back to the memories from childhood, you are more than welcome.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:36:05

Oh, it sounds brilliant. And I would definitely come visit. It sounds amazing. So thank you so much. And yes, I will link to your website, your social media and everything else in the show notes. So people can come and take a look and thank you so much again for your time today.

Kinga Hoffman: 00:36:18

Thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me.

Vicki Weinberg: 00:36:23

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