Plan your social media for 2024 – with Amy Atkinson

Welcome to the Bring Your Product Idea to Life podcast.

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This is the podcast for you if

you're getting started selling

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products, or if you'd like to

create your own product to sell.

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I'm Vicki Weinberg, a product

creation coach and Amazon expert.

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Every week I share friendly, practical

advice, as well as inspirational

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stories from small businesses.

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Let's get started.

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Hello, I am so excited today to have

Amy Atkinson join me on the podcast.

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Amy is a social media and digital

marketing coach specializing

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in working with small to museum

sized service based businesses.

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Amy reached a full client roster and

six figures in her business all in a

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year after coming back from maternity

leave, working four days a week.

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It's Amy's mission to help clients see

growth in client sales, prospects, reach,

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and warm leads and engagement through

sharing her knowledge and expertise.

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So while Amy mainly works with service

based businesses, today I've invited her

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on to speak about product businesses and

specifically about social media and the

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kind of things we need to be thinking

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Which, as you know, isn't

far away now, is it?

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Even at the time of recording

this, not very far away.

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So Amy had some really great advice about

how to plan out your social media for next

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year, the kind of content to consider.

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We spoke about channels.

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Um, we spoke about trends, if there's

anything particular people should be

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trying or maybe not trying next year.

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All in all, I think this

was such a useful episode.

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And even if you haven't, you know,

even if you're a sort of person who

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doesn't really plan your social media.

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I think Amy's approach of just taking

the year month by month and thinking

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what's coming up and what could you

speak about will help you massively.

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So I do encourage you not only to listen

to the episode, but also to take even half

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an hour and just think about next year.

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And I really think this will

help you in the long run.

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And, um, I would love now

to introduce you to Amy.

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Hi, Amy.

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Thank you so much for being here

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Amy Atkinson: Thank you for having me.

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Vicki Weinberg: Oh, you're so welcome.

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Can we start with you?

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Please give an introduction to

you, your business and what you do.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, of course.

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So hi everybody.

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My name is Amy Atkinson and I am the

owner and founder of the Femtrepreneur.

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Marketing training agency and consultancy.

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And I basically, or me and my team

work with small to medium sized

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businesses, whether that's through

done for you services or teaching

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and training them to really grow

their business through social media.

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Vicki Weinberg: Brilliant.

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Thank you so much.

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So I've invited you on to talk

about social media specifically

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this towards the end of the year.

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But why do we need to be thinking

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seems a really long way.

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Do we really need to be thinking that

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Amy Atkinson: This is so funny and I get

asked this question a lot, but actually

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the reason I highly recommend it is

because you can get yourself prepared.

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It means when it comes to social

media, you're going to feel less

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overwhelmed when you actually get there.

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And what I would say is when you're

thinking about your social media for

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need to think about, right, on the 24th

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of December, I'm going to post XYZ.

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That's absolutely not necessary because

you don't know what's going to happen

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in the world between now and then.

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But what I would really recommend

people do is to have a think about

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roughly what you're going to do when.

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So when are you launching

any new products?

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What is your customer feeling

at any one particular time?

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Because then, when you start to fully

understand that, it means you can build

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your social media calendar around it.

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So, as much as you're not

necessarily understanding the exact

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posts, you are starting to plot

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Vicki Weinberg: That makes total sense.

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Thank you.

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And I guess it also means that you

can kind of plan ahead for key dates

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that are specific to your business.

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So for example, Valentine's

Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day,

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school holidays, all those things.

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I guess anything that's relevant

and you know is happening, you know,

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regardless, it does make sense to

planning now, because I do know lots

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of businesses get to begin in February

and say, oh, we should do something

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for Valentine's day, for example.

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And I'm guilty myself of always

leaving things way too late, even

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though I know they're happening

because they happen every year.

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So I think having a plan, I guess

will save you time in the longterm

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because you'll already have sort of

have a rough idea for what you're

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going to do before you hit those dates.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, exactly.

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And even if you have a think about, so

say you know that your business is perfect

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to be selling more around Valentine's

Day, even if you have in your mind that

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you're going to think about the exact

thing for it in the middle of January,

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for example, you're just going to feel

so much happier, more prepared, less

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overwhelmed when it comes to actually

promoting things for Valentine's Day.

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Um, but equally if you're, I'm

laughing because this is a very

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sweeping statement from me.

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But most men don't think about it to

usually the week of or the day before.

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So if your product is for a woman

that a man is buying, then obviously

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you don't really need to think

about it in the middle of January.

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But what you might want to do is start

planting the seeds for those women to then

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think, oh, I'm going to send this link,

or I'm going to send this information

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to my other half in mid January,

because us women, again, this is very

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sweeping statement, so I do apologize,

but some women might have thought

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ahead about it, about what they want or

would quite like for Valentine's day.

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Vicki Weinberg: That makes sense.

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Thank you.

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And so other than these key dates,

what, and you've mentioned some, some

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other things that you mentioned product

launches, for example, are there any

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other things we should be thinking about

when we're planning out the year overall?

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, so, um, on top

of launching or relaunching your

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products, um, what I would really,

really, really, really think about is

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where is your customer as it, and when

I say this, where is their head at?

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What are they thinking

at each time of the year?

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So I've kind of alluded to it already.

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With Valentine's day.

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Um, but say for example, your product

is geared towards children, or

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perhaps it's geared towards a mum.

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She is potentially going to be way

too busy in the summertime to think

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about buying anything for herself.

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She might think about buying

something for her children.

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So how, when you know that, how,

what you can then think about

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is, how am I making it easier for

her to buy during the summertime?

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Or am I going to start launching

my product much before summer?

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So perhaps a month before the summer

period, perhaps May, June, beginning

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of June time, so that it gives them

the opportunity to not feel overwhelmed

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because being a mum ourselves, we know

what it's like during those summer period,

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the summer months and well, you're just

so in the nitty gritty of perhaps trying

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to keep your business going full stop,

but also looking after your children

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and doing the juggle of the both of

them, that when it comes to buying

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something, you're not thinking about it.

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So what I really, really recommend you do

is really understand your customer, really

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understand what they're thinking at any

one time of the month so that you can then

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start to plan your calendar around that.

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Because ultimately and the reason I get

people to think about this year on year

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is that really that's not going to change.

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Things might happen in the world.

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We know what things have happened

recently, but ultimately the way

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your customer is going to feel is

pretty much going to stay the same.

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So you can plan around that.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's really helpful.

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Thank you, Amy.

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And so to make it really, really

simple, I guess we're just thinking

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about for now, thinking about the

year and trying to think about, okay,

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what might be happening in January?

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What might I be talking about

February, March, et cetera.

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So at the moment, we're just

talking about having things

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mapped out that really high level.

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Amy Atkinson: Exactly.

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So it means that when you get to

January, when you get to March, you know,

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roughly what you're going to talk about.

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And it just means that when it comes to

your social media, it's going to be so

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much easier for you to come up with ideas.

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Vicki Weinberg: And what do we do if

we're, so we start this process and

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then we go, oh my gosh, I can't think

of a single thing happening in April.

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I'm just picking a random month.

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I can't think of thinking

of something in the world.

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I can't think of anything

happening in my business.

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What do we do?

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Amy Atkinson: Exactly.

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What do you do?

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Um, so what are you talking about now

when you're thinking about it now?

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Vicki Weinberg: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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When you're thinking about it now, do we

need to panic if there's some months where

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we're like, I don't know what's happening?

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Is that a big concern or, or not yet?

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Amy Atkinson: I don't think so.

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Um.

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If I'm completely honest, there probably

will be always something happening

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in any particular month, whether that

is a key date that you can Google or

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whether it's, um, dates to do that

are relevant to your target market.

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There's almost always something

happening, or there's almost always

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something they're thinking or feeling.

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And so, for example, a lot

of people might think, oh,

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January is usually really quiet.

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Um people don't necessarily want to

buy any products or anything like

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that in January because they perhaps

spent everything they possibly could

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do in the lead up to Christmas.

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But what you could do is come up

with ideas and thoughts around

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how that person's feeling.

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So perhaps they are feeling

a bit January blue, like, as

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in they've gone back to work.

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There's no bank holidays

now for a few months.

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What can you do to help them

get through that January month

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that's relevant to the products?

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And it's all about thinking

outside of the box.

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So, um, if you can really, again,

understand your ideal customer, think

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about how they're thinking, whether

that's relevant to your products or not.

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How can you sideline or think

laterally about what you could

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do to help them during that time.

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Vicki Weinberg: That makes sense.

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Thank you.

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And you mentioned earlier, Amy,

you're talking about launching

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and relaunching products.

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When you talk about relaunching products,

do you mean like maybe talking more about

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a product you haven't, you know, you

haven't been speaking about for a while?

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Is that what you meant by that?

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah.

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So what I find when it comes to this

could be relevant for services, but also

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products themselves, is that you might

have brought out a brand new product

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two years ago, and you've since launched

lots of new things, but ultimately your

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first product that you brought out was

the reason you started your business.

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Perhaps it was something that you

recognized that people really needed.

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There's absolutely no harm and even

if it's not changed at all, there's

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no harm in you saying, oh, this

is the first ever product we made.

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We absolutely loved it.

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It flew off the shelves and you're almost

putting it back in the spotlight again.

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So that's what I mean about relaunching

products, even if they haven't

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necessarily changed, you're just giving

it its time again on social media.

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Vicki Weinberg: Perfect.

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That's what I thought.

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And that's also might be really good

for those months where you're not really

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sure what you could be focused about.

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Like if we're talking about having a

theme some months, for example, maybe

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it is that there's one month where you

think, okay, there's not much going

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on in the world for my customers.

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What I'm actually going to do

is talk about this particular

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product that I've been quiet

about for the last, however long.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, for sure.

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Definitely.

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Vicki Weinberg: And when we are

talking specifically about our

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products, how often is too often?

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Do you see what I mean?

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Because I know we need to have a mix

of, so when we're talking about social

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media, we need to have a mix of different

posts and they can't all be about, I've

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got this by this, I've got this by this.

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What's kind of the, I don't know if

there's a ratio or, or how often can we

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actually be telling people what we sell?

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Because I guess as a product

business, that's ultimately our goal

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is to sell a product, hopefully a

brilliant product that's going to

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help people enhance their lives.

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Um, but how do we do that?

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Because I know that lots of my audience

struggle with being too salesy, you know,

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feeling like they don't want to just

keep pushing their products at people.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah.

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And I think that, that is something

that a lot of people struggle with.

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And what I would say is that as a

product based business, your, so let's

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talk about Instagram, for example,

your grid should clearly showcase what

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your products are and therefore you

don't necessarily have to be posting

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something, a product every single day.

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Let me explain that in a bit more detail.

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So that's specifically to your grid.

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You could potentially post a different

product image or a testimonial or

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somebody using it, showing how it

works, um, every other day, perhaps

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three times a week on your actual grid.

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When it comes to stories and

stories are relevant on Facebook

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and they're relevant on Instagram.

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This is where you can show

up every single day and sell.

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And what I would say with this is that

people really like to buy, but they

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don't like to be told what to buy.

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So this is where your

message is so important.

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And what I would really recommend you

do is, again, when you're understanding

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your customers, they're buying from you

because they've built up trust in you.

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They believe your product's going to work.

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They've seen other people use it.

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They've seen other people like it.

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So what you might want to do is have

a look at creating content that is

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based solely around people trying,

touching, feeling your, your products.

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Because naturally that is

going to help you sell that.

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You're also including on the stories,

you're also including a link for somebody

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to then go and easily buy it, but you're

not going and saying here is a product

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image on a white background or perhaps

someone holding it, go and buy it.

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You're literally showing

somebody how good it is.

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There's a difference between them.

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Vicki Weinberg: That makes real sense.

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And I'll be honest when I think to the

things that I've brought specifically,

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because I've sort of seen them on mainly

Instagram, because that's the one that

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I like the most, 9 times out of 10.

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And that's probably a

hundred percent of the time.

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Actually, if I think about it, things

I've brought based on seeing them on

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Instagram is because either I've seen

an influencer talking about them, I

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say influence, it might be somebody

I've never heard of, but it's a real

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life person is using this product or

you know, you've seen the testimonials

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or whatever it is, you're right.

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I don't think I've ever bought anything

because I thought that's a nice picture.

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It's always been, you see people using

it or wearing it or whatever the thing

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is, and you can sort of put yourself

in their shoes and think, oh yeah,

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I could use that or whatever it is.

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I think you're right.

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And so I guess that's thinking

about, yeah, how to, yeah, I guess

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think of what, of different ways to

position your product so that aren't

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just saying we have this product.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, exactly.

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It's just, it's a slight tweak in

your messaging and what you're saying.

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And an example that I see a lot on

Instagram at the moment, and that is just

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because it's something that I know is

affecting me personally at the moment, is

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having had a baby, I've got saggy skin on

my belly, so I keep getting a product from

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Maely's, which is all about fixing that.

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I have not bought the product

because I don't believe it will work.

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And the reason I don't believe it

will work is because the models that

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they're using are young, they're young

people in their twenties who likely

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haven't got an issue in the first place.

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Um, so therefore I'm like, okay,

well, of course, of course,

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they've got toned stomachs.

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So I hope that helps give somebody a

tangible understanding of what it really

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means for somebody to build up trust

in order to buy from them, but that I'm

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being bombarded by their ads all the time.

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And yet, they're not using mums,

they're not using people like me,

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and therefore they're targeting mums

probably, but they're not their models

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and the people that are in their

imagery are young people in their 20s

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who have got a perfect tummy already.

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Vicki Weinberg: Yeah.

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And I know, I know exactly what

you mean about that because I feel

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the same about skincare as well.

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When I look at skincare products, if

the person is significantly younger

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or even significantly older than

me, because I'm aware of our skin

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changes as we age, you want to see

someone who represents you, don't you?

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Otherwise it just, I think

it's much harder to relate to

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an image or whatever it is.

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If you, if you feel like

that's not aimed at me.

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And I.

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Yeah, that makes real sense.

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And it's funny, isn't it?

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You, yeah, we all sort of look for

validation and yeah, I think, so knowing

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it makes good sense, knowing who your

customer is and making sure they are

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actually represented makes a lot of sense.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah,

definitely, definitely.

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Vicki Weinberg: Thank you so much, Amy.

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So we've been talking a

little bit about content.

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If it's okay with you, I'd like to talk

a little bit about channels and sort of

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the social media channels we're using.

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Um, I guess it'd be useful to know how

much of a plan we need to have for that.

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Do we need to stick with the same channels

we've been using up until now, or is a

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new year a good time to try something new?

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So I know that is a big question.

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So maybe let's start with the

first part, which is, do we need

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to be, how much planning do we

need to do at a channel level?

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Amy Atkinson: I think, um, at this

stage, um, okay, so we're, we're in

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October at the moment at this stage,

you probably don't need to think

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about anything further than the first

quarter in terms of channel level.

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You're, when it comes to planning

annually, you want to think about where

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you're going to focus at any one time.

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And in order to do that, it's

to understand your customer.

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Um, so you might want to think,

okay, well, I know my customer

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is spending time on Instagram.

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So therefore that's what I'm going to do.

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And that's where I'm going to focus.

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Um, one of your questions, I suppose

I could answer now is that whether

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you should answer some, whether

you should answer something new,

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whether you should try something new.

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And I, I am a big believer in

that as small business owners

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we've simply do not have the time

to do everything all the time.

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And I really want people to

understand their customer, know where

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their customer is spending time.

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So therefore, if the Threads as a

month ago, launch a few months ago,

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launched, if your customer has moved

onto Threads, absolutely try Threads.

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If your customer is using Tik

Tok, absolutely use Tik Tok.

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What I don't think is really helpful

for anybody is to get caught up with

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new and shiny objects if your customer

isn't spending time there because it

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means that you're basically spending time

creating content for that channel, but no

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one's necessarily going to buy from it.

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Does that help?

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Vicki Weinberg: That really helps.

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Thank you.

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I'll be really honest with you, Amy.

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I asked that question for a really

specific reason, which is something

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that my audience asked me quite

a lot, is should I be on TikTok?

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Because as you probably know, TikTok

shop has got really big and, um, I think

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sometimes businesses can fall into the

trap of thinking I have to be there.

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All my competitors are there.

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I have to be there too.

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And I'm sure you're going to say

that's not, um, it doesn't matter

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whether your competitors are there.

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It's whether your customers

are there that's important.

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Amy Atkinson: Exactly.

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Um, and I think what I would say about

TikTok is that if you know your customers

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are there, um, then it would be worthwhile

for you and probably would be more

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worthwhile for you compared to Instagram.

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And that is because TikTok in

comparison to Instagram is quite small.

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So it means you are more

likely to have standout.

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But the first thing that you really must

understand is, is my customer there?

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And if they're not spending time

there, then the chances are you

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probably don't need to be there either.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's really good advice.

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Thank you.

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So I guess what could be really

useful now is for people to just have

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a quick review about, you know, the

cut, the channels they have currently

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and are their customers still there.

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So I, for example, um, it wasn't

when it was, but at some point I

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stopped using Facebook for business.

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Um, I do one podcast post a week and

that's it because I realized that nobody

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was engaging with my posts on Facebook,

I could put on pretty much identical

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content on LinkedIn or Instagram and

we'll get so much more engagement.

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So that kind of told me that okay, you

know, it's just, it's either something

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to do with the algorithm, which I don't

understand or it's that people aren't

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there, but either way, I was like, I

don't know why I'm spending time on this

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because clearly I'm getting nothing back.

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It just, it's just one of those

fruitless tasks that you end up

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doing because you've always done it.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah.

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The other, the other tip that I would

give, um, when it comes to social

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media content, definitely have a look

at what engagement is going on, i.

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e.

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whether people are liking,

commenting, sharing your posts.

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But if you have got Google Analytics

built into your website, if you go there

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and have a look at, probably, so you

need to change the date range, but go

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and have a look at whether your customer

over the last 90 days, where they've

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come from, which social media channel

they've come from, because I have exactly

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this with one of my clients that I, um,

do a whole load of data analysts for

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them, analytics for them, and they get

terrible engagement on Facebook compared

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to LinkedIn, much like you've just said,

they don't, they're not on Instagram.

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Um, but they get more traffic

from Facebook than they do

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from LinkedIn to their website.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's so interesting.

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Amy Atkinson: So even though people

aren't liking the post, they're the people

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that are even more warm, if you like,

they're a warmer lead because they're

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actually bothering to go to your website.

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Vicki Weinberg: That is such

a great tip, Amy, thank you.

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As soon as we were done on this

call, you know, I'm going straight

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to Google Analytics to find out

where people are coming from.

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That's brilliant.

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Thank you.

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That's a really good tip.

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And I think maybe that's something worth

everyone looking at when thinking about

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next year to make it like, like you

say, a really informed decision about,

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especially if you're, you know, you're.

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Because I think some of

us can fall into the trap.

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I certainly did this, thinking I

needed to be on all the channels

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and then just found it was too much.

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And then gradually I've

sort of cut them down.

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And I think if you're in that

situation and you're like, okay, which

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ones do I need to be focusing on?

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I guess that could give you some

really useful, accurate data

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to make that decision as well.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, absolutely.

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And I am wholeheartedly somebody

who always looks at the data

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before making any kind of decision.

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And also.

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Understanding what a

goal is for the business.

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So predominantly you're probably

thinking about sales and therefore

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driving people to your website.

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That is probably your first and foremost.

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Okay.

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Which social media channel

is doing that for me?

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Um, but then secondary is where

am I getting the engagement?

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So if you imagine you take your

top social media channel, that's

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driving stuff to your website and

then your top social media channel,

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that's getting you engagement.

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They would probably be the two

channels that I would focus on.

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And you might find that

they're the same one.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's really useful.

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Thank you.

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And if they are the same one, is there

any reason not to be on just one?

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Is there any downside to that?

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Amy Atkinson: No, not really.

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If you've seen in the numbers that

you aren't getting people from, so

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say, for example, Instagram is the one

that's driving people to your website

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and it's the one that you get the best

traffic on, uh, sorry, engagement on.

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But then you find that perhaps

I don't know, 10 percent of your

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traffic is coming from Facebook.

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Um, there's literally no harm

in just focusing on Instagram.

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Perhaps Instagram and Facebook is

a slightly difficult one because

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you could technically really easily

replicate the content that you're

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putting on Instagram for Facebook.

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And then equally, there's no

harm in doing that either.

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Um, but if you're finding that you're

creating content for TikTok and Instagram,

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which are two quite different channels,

and then you've got to spend the time

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putting the things into the TikTok shop

then and it's only driving 10 percent of

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your traffic, which of course you would

then expect not all of that to convert.

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Perhaps that's where you need to think,

okay, perhaps it's not worth my time.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's really helpful.

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Thank you.

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So thinking again about next year.

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So are there any, and I don't

know, you might hate this word.

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I couldn't think of a better word for

it, but are there any trends coming

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up or I don't know, things that are

emerging channels that, or anything

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at all, that's coming up that we

should be, know about or think about

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when we're planning for next year.

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So I think Thread's was a good example

you mentioned because I think more and

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more people seem to be jumping on there.

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I haven't yet.

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Amy Atkinson: No.

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See this is it.

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Um, I, with Threads, let's just

chat a little bit about Threads.

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So Threads went absolutely wild in

that first two weeks of it launching.

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And almost, almost almost everyone

I know moved onto Threads.

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Within two weeks, it dropped

off almost instantly.

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So, um, to the point where Adam

Mosseri, so he's the CEO of Instagram

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and Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of

Facebook, and anyone that doesn't

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know, Threads is owned by Meta, which

owns both Facebook and Instagram.

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Those CEOs were putting on Threads and

they were also putting on their Instagram.

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What do we need to do?

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What's missing from Threads?

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Where have you all gone?

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They didn't understand why people

just basically went over there.

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They were really loving the hype

and then everyone disappeared.

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So, um, just be wary of Threads, is

that they are going to be doing a lot

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of work to keep driving people there

and keep using Threads, but it's,

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it's almost gone full circle in terms

of who's spending time over there.

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Um, so that's just my thoughts on Threads,

but when it comes to trends coming up

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and we have already kind of talked about

it is that people do love to buy things.

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We are a sucker for buying things.

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But we don't naturally like to

be sold to, we don't like people

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telling us what we have to buy.

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Um, so what you'll find with

influencers, and this is something to

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be mindful with your marketing when it

comes to products is, you, you won't

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necessarily find influence nowadays,

influencers saying, oh, look at this.

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Isn't this the most wonderful

product that I've ever bought?

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Um, I've just realized this isn't

a video, this is a podcast and

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I've just shown my Airpods case.

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Um, so.

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Vicki Weinberg: I could see it.

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Amy Atkinson: So.

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They won't necessarily show the product.

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What they will do is show the product,

how it works, what they like about it.

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They might have seen that, they

might say that they've seen other

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people use it and they might quote

what those other people have said.

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So they're literally talking

around that product and what, how

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amazing it is and the benefits.

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They're talking about the benefits

as opposed to what it is necessarily.

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They're talking about how to use it.

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And they're basically seamlessly

incorporating all of that information

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into their topics, uh, into their content.

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And so then it's not like, look at this

product, buy it, it's, I'm going to add

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this product to my link and you can go

and buy it, but I absolutely love it.

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And all the while they're talking about

it, they're using it at the same time

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so that you can see how good it is.

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And all of this kind of content,

which is more user generated.

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So it's a, somebody using it

is key for building up trust.

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And that is the kind of going to come

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people are really thinking about where

they should be spending their money.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's really helpful.

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Thank you.

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And I know exactly what you

mean about the influence.

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I've definitely seen that

myself, the way people are

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talking about things has changed.

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And I think as well, do you think

that's also partly because people are.

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Or maybe trusting a bit less trusting

because we've seen so many ads

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where people are promoting this

and promoting that you've almost

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thought, well, if you're cynical

like me, I often think, well, you're

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just saying that because you've been

paid to, if I'm being really blunt.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, exactly.

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And therefore you don't

necessarily believe it.

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And I think also when it comes to

influencers, and I'm going to use

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an example around teeth whitening.

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Is that, you know full well

that a lot of influencers don't

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go and buy their at home kit.

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They probably go and pay a dentist

a lot of money to do it in the

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way that they want it done.

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And then when they start talking about

an at home kit and how amazing it

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is, straight away you don't believe

it because you've probably seen them

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two weeks ago pop into their dentist

because they've tagged their dentist in

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something, or it could be even, I don't

know, hair extensions, for example,

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they have been to go and get their hair

extensions done a month ago, and then

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suddenly they're using an at home kit.

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It just, it doesn't sit right, especially

when you've got somebody who is an avid

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follower and they watch what you do day

in, day out, they're going to straight

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away sniff something's not right.

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Vicki Weinberg: Yeah.

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And I don't know if this is

just me, but I, I definitely.

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I found myself more, the things

I've been buying, I've seen on

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Instagram recently, haven't been ads.

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They've been things that have

been recommended by people

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that I follow, not influencers.

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So people who are really honest about

the fact that they don't have affiliate

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links, they don't push you to buy things.

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They will say something's been

gifted, but generally they're

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buying things with their own money.

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So I brought a supplement recently

because someone that I follow, that

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I trust, because I've followed this

person for years, they've got a big

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audience, but they were talking about,

oh, I started using the supplement

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and I'm going to see how it works.

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And over like the weeks as they were

posting about, oh, you know, things that

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had changed for them as a result, I was

just getting more and more drawn in,

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whereas I'd seen ads from the same brand

and I'd seen ads featuring other, I'm

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putting quotes, real people, but actually

what swung it for me was seeing someone

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that I felt I could relate to a bit more.

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So someone I've met and know, I

don't think you necessarily have

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to met them, but some, basically

someone that I felt I could trust.

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And I think that, I don't know whether

you think, if you, are you seeing

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that things are moving more towards

that so that people want to see more

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real people, and I'm putting real

in air quotes, you know what I mean?

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, definitely.

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They definitely.

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Vicki Weinberg: Rather than a celebrity.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly that.

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And for, um, any product-based businesses,

uh, or even services to a certain

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extent, if it's a B to C company,

um, think about you if you do want to

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invest in influencers as a strategy.

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Think about influencers who have probably

got 5 to 10, 000 followers as opposed to

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50 to 100 to 150, 000 followers because

you might find that you'll get a better

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return on investment, because they're

still quite small and a lot of people

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who do follow them have probably been

on that journey with them already, where

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they've grown from a thousand to 10, 000.

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Vicki Weinberg: Yeah.

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That's really useful.

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Thank you.

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And I'm glad it's not just me that's

getting more and more cynical.

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But as you said, I think because we're

all having to think really carefully about

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how and where we spend our money, you,

you do question things a lot more now.

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Um, it was also really interesting

what you were saying about Threads

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and part of the reason I wanted to

ask you about Threads is because I

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feel like it can be so easy to think,

oh, this is the next big thing.

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And I'm going to jump on this.

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And I deliberately didn't get, use Threads

because I wanted to see how it played out.

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And you're right.

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I didn't realize it was only two

weeks, but I noticed there was a

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lot of people and then it vanished.

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And because there was another, a few

years ago, there was another platform

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and I've forgotten what it's called.

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And you might remember it.

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It was like a thing with rooms.

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It was like an audio platform

and you could join rooms

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and like have discussions.

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I can't remember what it's called.

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I hope someone knows and can tell me.

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Amy Atkinson: I know exactly

what, wasn't clubhouse?

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No.

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Vicki Weinberg: Yes.

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That was it.

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It was clubhouse.

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And I remember that was a big thing

and everyone moved on to there

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and then that sort of moved on.

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So, uh, because my, my feeling is that we

have to be a little bit wary of jumping

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onto every new thing that comes up.

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Is that the advice you'd give?

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I mean, or do you think that

actually it's worth giving it

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a try and seeing how it goes?

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Amy Atkinson: Okay, what

would I say about this?

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I think if you've got the time, if you've

got the capacity, there's absolutely

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no harm in you trying something new.

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I'm definitely not going to say don't

do it, but I would say if you already

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feel overwhelmed with everything that

you've got to do, then just wait, just

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wait to see if you know your cluster

has moved there, if they've moved there,

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then absolutely go ahead and try it.

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Um, but I'm just so mindful and

careful of advising people to jump

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on something new when I already

know a lot of us feel stretched.

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Vicki Weinberg: That's such great advice.

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Thank you.

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And I think it's probably reassuring for

everyone to hear you say that because it

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almost feels like you're missing out if

you're not jumping on the latest thing,

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sometimes it can be harder to not do it.

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So thank you.

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Because I think that, I think that's

honestly really reassuring and

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knowing that you can just wait and you

don't have to be everywhere day one.

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You can, yeah, see how

things play out first.

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Amy Atkinson: And equally, I think

this is where it really helps to know

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who your ideal customer is, because

if you know your ideal customer is

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a trendsetter, there's someone that

will jump on a trend like that.

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That's when potentially something

like this is important to make

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sure that you're always there.

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However, if you're somebody, if your ideal

customer is more somebody who feels a

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bit comfortable waiting a little while,

perhaps they'll join either at the peak

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or even as it starts to slowly drop

off, that's when you can jump on too.

643

Um, and that's what I know about

my customers is that they want to

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feel they're not going to just jump

into the, the next thing straight

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away because they don't, I know that

they don't have the time to do it.

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So they might sign up, but they

don't necessarily get it into

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their daily routine that they

need to be spending time on that.

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So I don't, I don't, I'm not on Tik Tok.

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Well, I do have a tick tock, I've

signed up, but I don't spend time

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creating content for that all the

time because I know that my customers

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don't have the time to do it either.

652

So it's just really, I've, I've said

this so much in this podcast, but

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it's just really understanding your

customer, like the back of your hand.

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It's so important.

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Vicki Weinberg: Thank you.

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And I don't think it matters how many

times you say that, because I think

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that's key and that's running through

everything you've said, whether

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it's content channels, everything,

it just comes back to the customer.

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So I think that's just,

yeah, such a good reminder.

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Um, okay.

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So just a few final questions, Amy.

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So when, so when we're sort of thinking

about sitting down, planning out

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or suggestions of things we could try

664

doing or things we might like to think

about while we're thinking about this?

665

Amy Atkinson: Yeah.

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And I know I've said, don't

jump on the latest thing.

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Um, but if you, as you said, as I

said, if you, if you do know that

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your customer is spending time on

TikTok now, or even a little bit of

669

time, TikTok really is on the rise.

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And it's a space where you could

potentially grow quite quickly and

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easily so long as your customer is there.

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So I would recommend trying it if

you know that your customer is there.

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Um, really think about how you

can create user generated content.

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Um, so do you need to think about

spending a little bit of money, either

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paying small micro influencers, I call

them small influencers, um, as part of

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your marketing strategy, or perhaps they

might, you might be able to just gift it.

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So can you afford to gift

any of your new products, old

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products to these influencers?

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Um, there are a couple of things that I

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Vicki Weinberg: That's brilliant.

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Thank you, Amy.

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And now I've got one final

question before we finish up.

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And, um, this might be, this might be

a hard one or it might not be actually.

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Let's see.

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Um, what is your number one piece

of social media advice be for small

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product businesses or, or your best

tip, however you want to come at this?

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Amy Atkinson: I think.

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The best tip that I can give you is

to be consistent with your posting.

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And what I mean by that is not constant.

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I don't necessarily mean all day, every

day, because I also understand that that's

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not possible, but just be consistent.

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So whether that's consistently posting

three times a week, perhaps it is

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posting every day, or perhaps it's

twice a week, just be consistent

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because the algorithm will pick up

on your consistency and it will share

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your content regularly to people.

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So definitely do that.

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And be, I'm giving it's two, but

it's, it's kind of one in the same,

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be consistent on your stories as well.

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Vicki Weinberg: Thank you, Amy.

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And I think that's really good advice.

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And I think what really, I think that

all ties back so nicely to the podcast

702

as well, because I think if you.

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To be consistent, it's obviously

going to help if you plan.

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So nobody wants to get to Monday

and think, oh, what are my free

705

posts going to be this week?

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Whereas if you spent some time in advance

thinking, okay, in January, I'm going

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to be focusing on, I don't know, dry

January or the January blues or I'm

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launching something or whatever it is,

it'll make it much easier to plan those

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posts because I think, yeah, that's where

I think it can be harder to keep up,

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as if you just haven't got a clue what

you're posting day to day, week to week.

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Amy Atkinson: Yeah, absolutely.

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Definitely.

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Vicki Weinberg: Amazing.

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Well, thank you so much, Amy.

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So we're all going to go away now and

plan on social media for next year.

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Thank you so much for all you shared.

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And last question is where

can people go and find you?

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Amy Atkinson: So they can find me

at the Femtrepreneur on Instagram,

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on Facebook, and on LinkedIn.

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And my website is

www.theFemtrepreneur.com.

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And for any of you who are thinking,

how on earth do you spell that?

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If you think entrepreneur, but

then just add in FEM before the

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trepreneur, that should help you.

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Vicki Weinberg: Thanks so much, Amy.

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And I'll link to everything

in the show notes as well.

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So for anyone who hasn't managed

to get that down, um, they'll be

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able to find you there as well.

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Amy Atkinson: Perfect.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Vicki Weinberg: Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much for listening

right to the end of this episode.

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Do remember that you can get the

full back catalogue and lots of free

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resources on my website, vickiweinberg.

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com.

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